Veronica Mars

arduinna

Czytałam na forum ogólnoserialowym, że na tvn ma się wkrótce pojawić Veronica Mars, wreszcie będę mogła obejrzeć ten serial.

Ar-Feiniel

Bo proszę, aż się wierzyć nie chce, że tv w Polsce nagle postanowiłą podążać za nowinkami. Razz

Chociaż ja bym także poradziła jej, aby nadrobiła zaległości np. w Buffy, bo jakby nie było - to już kultowa produkcja.
Ale dobra chociaż i VM

Ar-Feiniel

Jeszcze jeden link do teledysków:
[link widoczny dla zalogowanych]
Ta dziewczyna robi głównie teledyski na temat HP, ale w dziale "Other Videos" jest dział z VM Smile

jessie

z poprzednich stron grzecznie posciagalam teledyski z VM, ale z tej ostatniej tak mi sie kliknelo na HP Razz

pierwszy raz zreszta, nawet niezle Wink

kiedy nastepny odcinek, czy aby nie jakos na dniach? chyba osleplam, przegladam wczesniejsze posty i nie moge trafic na date.

Ar-Feiniel

Z tego co pamietam to dopiero 23 stycznia, więc jeszcze trochę przyjdzie nam poczekać Sad

Mam nadzieję, że opłacało się ściągać te teledyski, bo sumie to musiało tego sporo wyjść Wink

spikerulez

Heh jeśli dobrze doczytałam to pierwszy odcinek VM będzie na TVN 2.02 w piątek o super porze 14 Smile

I tak codziennie-wymyślili wrrr...

kazuhiko

co?! przciez ludzie pracuja, ucza sie! ;(

Ar-Feiniel

Bo w TVN pracują totalnie niekompetentni ludzie! To zapewne z ich pomysłu The O.C. - 1 i 2 sezon - było nadawane latem (czyli wtedy, kiedy ludzie wyjeżdżają) . Z tego co mi wiadomo, to tego lata będzie emitowana 3 seria Rolling Eyes

Nie mam pojęcia, kto przy zdrowych zmysłach zatwierdza takie decyzje programowe!!!

spikerulez

Ech tego typu dyskusje od zawsze toczą się na telewizyjnych forach Sad

Zwykle odpowiedź jest taka,że decyzje podejmują Ci sami którym zależy by Na Wspólnej i inne shity były wyswietlane w porze największej oglądalności wrrr

Ar-Feiniel

Właśnie przeczytałam wywiad z Robem Thomasem, który (częściowo) dotyczy 1 i 2 sezonu, tego co się dzieje obecnie i co ma się wydarzyć. Przytaczam ciekawe fragmenty:

SPOLERY: od s1 do 3x09

O LoVe i nieprzyjemnym charakterze V. Razz

CB: So, on the subject of fanbases. When we talked two years ago, the relationship between Logan and Veronica was just starting to thaw, but nothing romantic had happened yet. Now, they've been all over the place -- sometimes torrid, sometimes hateful, sometimes even functional. But wherever their relationship happens to be, they have a very vocal fanbase. Does that affect anything you do?

RT: Not a thing. I have no idea what the fans think of the Logan/Veronica journey this season. I mean, I kind of have it vaguely mapped out in my head. The thing that I've said is that it's going to be a rocky ride -- I want it to feel like the real world. I want it to feel like...[with] somebody you're incredibly drawn to, there are ups and downs and peaks and valleys, particularly with two characters that are so tough on themselves and tough on each other, they're kindred in so many ways, but are also volatile. I mean, I'm enjoying it. It will continue to be bumpy -- I think it would be a boring show and hard to believe if we played a fairy-tale romance, and yet I think it would cheat people who see the attraction, the chemistry between the two, if we didn't pay it off at times. So that's kind of my theory going into it, at least.

CB: Sure, but going at that question from a slightly different angle, just knowing how popular they are, are there certain dramatic lines you wouldn't cross? I mean, obviously, just from a character standpoint, Logan wouldn't turn around and rape Veronica -- it wouldn't be believable.

RT: Right. Are there lines I wouldn't cross? I suppose. The problem, and I think I have this problem a lot, is that I'm willing to not protect characters in the way that other shows are so careful to do. I feel like it lands in predictable drama -- as an example, [in] one of the episodes I wrote for Dawson's Creek, the story is that a football player at the high school is telling people that he nailed Joey. And when it was first conceived, the story I was arguing for was to have Joey rip him to shreds, and my bosses at that point said, "Oh, no no no, that's so unlikable. You can't do that -- people won't forgive Joey." And I remember I hated that at the time, because the idea felt real to me, it felt honest, it felt possible, and yet...what I'm suggesting is that maybe these people are right -- that heroes on television have to be less flawed than the rest of us. But it's a depressing thought if that's the case, and it's not the sort of television that I gravitate to. I suppose, at the end of the day, I feel like I'm more forgiving of the characters' flaws and errors than the fanbase. They hold them up to a higher ideal. Now Veronica, in my mind, can't win; every week, she pours herself into helping someone out, devotes all of her energy, and people complain about her meanness.

CB: Well, let's talk about that a little more, since that was my next question anyway. You said earlier that that's one of the most bothersome things you hear -- that Veronica is too mean and nasty. Why do you feel that way?

RT: Why does it bother me? Because I think it's a fictional snowball rolled down a hill and has no merit to it. Because I think that Veronica hasn't changed from Season 1, and certainly hasn't grown any meaner. It's like she keeps all the things that I think make her interesting. I think there are forty other network shows if you want a female lead who's a sweet nice choice, but people fell in love with Veronica when she was flawed and made bad choices and was vindictive and snarky and tough and unforgiving, and she continues to have problems with all those issues -- no greater, no less. So I'm saying I haven't changed -- the audience has. You know, a critic from New Jersey who is very kind to the show actually called me and said, "What are you doing with Veronica? Is there a reason you're writing her so mean? I just watched this scene, and this pizza boy who has so much admiration for her, she treated him like something she scraped off her shoe!" And I'm like, "Really? Are we watching the same show?"

CB: I have to admit that I wrote almost that exact line in my recap.

RT: I...I don't get it. I'll watch that scene, and if anything, she's deflecting praise. She's getting down to business. That doesn't feel like Veronica different from Season 1.

CB: That's interesting. I have given that whole idea some thought. I think maybe the difference is that, in Season 1, we saw so much more on-screen evidence of why Veronica was so raw. The 09ers were such a constant reminder that it was her against the world. Now the world seems less cruel to her, at least on the surface, so maybe her attitude seems a little less justified.

RT: I wouldn't agree that that math works out, though. I don't think that the things that are ingrained in us change. I would love to sit and watch that scene with you, because I think she's maybe brusque and in a hurry at worst, but something she scraped off her shoe? That's what I mean when I say it's a snowball -- it's people looking, searching out an example of meanness. I'm actually dealing with a cut right now where Veronica's in a vulnerable position, and a little girl asks her a question, and [Veronica's] a hair sharp with her. And I like that line reading, I think it's the right note to play, I think it's what Veronica Mars is. I will hear about how she was mean to the little girl, and it drives me fucking nuts that that's even entering my mind now. Because for me, it's a slow evolution -- [in] Scene 1 of the pilot [the originally shot pilot, not the aired pilot -- CB], Veronica says she's never getting married and now people are having trouble with her having trust issues with Logan? She spends her formative years taking pictures through motel windows of people philandering -- it's hard for her to get into a monogamous relationship.

CB: Yeah. I've actually liked the Logan/Veronica relationship this season. I knew it was unlikely to last, but they've had some nice functional moments.

RT: Yeah, and I could easily see...the winds could change, if we go five seasons. In my mind, is there a epic journey for these two characters? Do I feel, personally, that they have a future in store? Yes, unless something comes along...that isn't set in stone, but I recognize, watching the two of them on screen, that they're good together, and they are certainly written in a way in which, if they could ever solve their dilemmas and their hang-ups, you could see them being an amazing couple. But dramatically, it's not interesting for me for it to be an easy road, or for there to be easy problems to overcome. I'm interested in the dilemmas and problems.

O ewentualnym sezonie 4 (jego nowym formacie) i innych planach RT (jeśli VM przepadnie)

CB: I've heard that, should you come back for a fourth season, you're considering going to the stand-alone episodes permanently.

RT: It really is, for the network and for us, a trial balloon. It's going to be dictated by ratings and response. I mean, I'll write the show either way. We just want to survive and get to make more. So if the fans respond to this...the thing we always have to remember is that the posters on Television Without Pity are not the majority of our audience. They're the great part of our audience -- I mean, they may represent 5% of our audience, but we spend 30% of our time thinking about them. But -- and I'm now just talking about television in general, most people aren't hardcore -- they watch, they flip channels and find what's on, and if it's appealing to them, they stay and watch it. And we see that our numbers are going up, or they chart out better than they have in the past in terms of retention or growth, and if the diehards don't revolt, then I think there would be a chance that we would go to all stand-alones. And when I say all stand-alones, it's not like the Veronica Mars universe begins and ends with each episode. All the interpersonal storylines would continue, there would be bits and pieces of things that carry over from episode to episode, but it wouldn't arc out over either a ten-episode mystery or a twenty-two episode mystery. We would try to say, okay, if you come to Veronica Mars, you get the whole show -- if you're a random viewer, you don't have to have watched the previous six episodes -- you can tune in this week and know what's going on. Like Rockford Files or something, you know?

CB: And as far as TV goes, is there any type of story or a particular genre you'd like to explore next?

RT: I have a pilot out right now; I wrote it for Fox, and they seem kind of lukewarm on it right now. It's kind of a return to Cupid: it's a romantic comedy. Think Love, Actually in a hotel. I'm doing the second pass for Fox this weekend. I'll turn it in on Monday and probably hear something very soon after that. I don't know whether it will go or not. This is the position I was in last year: I want a show on the air. It's like, writing a pilot is hedging my bets. I don't know if Veronica Mars will be back. There were times in the first nine episodes when I felt certain it wouldn't, but the uptick and the reaction to the finale -- I think we finished strong, and I think it's looking back up. In comparative terms -- looking at the ratings for the other shows on the CW -- I think we have a strong shot at returning. But for me personally, I have to have a show on the air. I don't ever want to have to go back to being that writer at home trying to get a show on the air. It's a drag. There tend to be showrunning positions available every May, and the good news for me is that if Veronica Mars didn't come back, I'm sure I would be offered things. However, they wouldn't be my things, and that would really bum me out. But I would certainly go run someone else's show before I would stay at home.

Sporo tego, ale nie mogłam się powstrzymać, bo to zupełnie świeży wywiad (18 stycznia), który ładnie podsumowuje nasze niedawne dyskusje. Wink

Agata

Forum wczoraj nie działalo i nie miałam sie z kim podzielic spojlerami z najnowszego odcinka, na które natknęłam się na LJ - ot tak, przegladając sobie LJ-e przyjaciół. Po pierwsze dowiedziałam sie, ze 10 odc. juz jest i co zobaczyłam? Veronicę i Logana całujących się! Więc szybko obejrzałam tez screencapy i widziałam, że Mac sie z kims całuje Wink

Juz nie moge się doczekać, kiedy obejrzę! Wiedziałam, ze V i L sie pogodzą i wyglada na to, ze z jej inicjatywy Smile

Ciekawe na jak długo?

jessie

ja sie dzis obudzilam przerazona, z mysla: "o boze, a kiedy jest nowy odcinek VM???" Wink

cale szczescie juz sie dorwalam do sciagania, jak wroce z zajec bede miala. a LJ na razie omijam na wszelki wypadek.

Ar-Feiniel

Wieczorem oczywiście nie zdążyłam się zabrać za oglądanie, ale teraz mam nareszcie czas Very Happy

I jestem spoiler free Wink

Agata

Ja sie nie mogłam powstrzymac i z tego szczęscia ustwiłam sobie nowe ikonki Wink

Ar-Feiniel

Domyśliłam się, że chciałaś nas zespoilerować tymi ikonkami Razz

Spoiler 3x10

Jakkolwiek bardzo jestem szczęśliwa z ich pogodzenia, nie będę skakać z radości, bo widzę już dwie chmurki na horyzoncie: L zabawiał się z inną panienką i to w kilka dni po rozstaniu (trudno powiedzieć jak V zareaguje, jeśli się dowie, a w jej przypadku to bardzo prawdopodobne), Piz Twisted Evil

. Jest jasne jak słońce, że V jest świadoma jego zainteresowania i nie wiadomo do czego to doprowadzi Sad

Wolałabym aby Piz próbował pocałować V/umówić się z nią podczas kolacji w stołówce. Gdyby wtedy ona mu powiedziała, ze nie chce się zadowalać byle czym i wybrała L, to sprawa byłaby zamknięta, bo komunikat byłby jasny: lubię cię, ale dla mnie liczy się tylko L. Tymczasem obecnie jest to trochę niejasne. Grr Argh.
Na wielki plus - V uśmiecha się w tym odcinku; tak naprawdę, naprawdę. Kiedy była u tego chłopaka z laboratorium okazała tyle ciepła i zrozumienia. Very Happy

No i Mac! Bardzo się cieszę, że znowu wraca do gry i trzeba przyznać, ze między bohaterami jest chemia. Czas najwyższy, aby miała fajnego mężczyznę, bo nigdy nie lubiłam Beavera (nawet przed tym nieszczęsnym finałem s2) i uważałam, że stać ją na więcej. Jedynie czego się mogę czepiać, to wyglądu tego gościa. Strasznie przypomina mi takiego jednego aktora z serialu Related, za którym nie przepadałam.